KRAY is behaving totally insane!

[jaxtone]

... the final picture I showed was ofcourse the v004.lws scene. I guess you did not overwrite your own faulty objects with my corrected ones, in your render of my scene 04, your surfaces still give light. Also, when I load that scene back the exposure of physical sky is the same as when I saved it. If that does not happens overthere, your install must be incorrect. I noticed in your screenshot, the Kray Tonemap Blending master plugin is gone and you have Lscript Commander in there. How did that get there? Did you install the .lsc files of the supplied kray RC5 zip? Did you delete all old .ls files in the plugin directories that LW autoscans every time it starts?

No, I did not overwrite the scenes!
The LScriptCommander was already there when I installed the Kray plugins! Didn´t know that I had to delete it before using Kray!
Yes, I did install the .lsc files of the supplied kray RC5 zip!
Yes, I did delete all old files!

About your question inside the picture (btw I prefer stuff typed in post to be able to quote and comment on it in my reply), I just picked a time of physical sky and I did like it. I disabled your sun, because it was placed just above the horizon. I also did delete your fake fill light. The comment of the overbright material is simple, I did not change your material settings, that is your job Your original scene looked horrible in LW and FPrime too.
Turn color down a bit. About reflections, add a nicer environment to reflect or else the glass never will look better.

I can´t judge how the scene looks in Fprime because I haven´t any access to it, (I thought that FPrime and Kray didn´t work together at all,) but I can assure you that I am totally aware of that my old scene looked like crap! That´s the reason I asked for help and I must say that you have helped me a lot, at least to getting some more interest in solving the riddle with Kray.

About the environment, that was just a rough model to have something to start with, but I understand what you say and will of course add some more accurate environment when I get a little further with the scene!

Now it is time to work on your scene and worry less about kray.

You are definitely right in that statement Erwin and thank you for taking time helping me starting up a bigger interest for Kray! It´s been inspiring!

Thanks again!

[erwin zwart]

No, I did not overwrite the scenes!
The LScriptCommander was already there when I installed the Kray plugins! Didn´t know that I had to delete it before using Kray!
Yes, I did install the .lsc files of the supplied kray RC5 zip!
Yes, I did delete all old files!

I can´t judge how the scene looks in Fprime because I haven´t any access to it, (I thought that FPrime and Kray didn´t work together at all,) but I can assure you that I am totally aware of that my old scene looked like crap! That´s the reason I asked for help and I must say that you have helped me a lot, at least to getting some more interest in solving the riddle with Kray.

First of all, FPrime still is the only good way to have an interactive preview in LW, so I still use it for that. It does not preview the exact kray lighting, but it helps with surfacing and lighting of kray scenes.

Secondly, I just wondered why you use the Lscript commander, I never use it and I don't add a masterplugin to LW if I don't use it. Did you mess with any kray LScript with it?
My question was also because I wondered where the kray Tone Blending plugin went, which I added in that scene, did you remove it or did it never showup?

I still think your kray install is not OK, judging by the problems you have.
Maybe we should do a teamviewer session or Skype screenshare to get to the bottom of this.

Ask away, you're welcome.

About tutorials, I would like video tutorials too but they are not there at the moment. Most of the people who could make them (f.e. me) are very busy, we even struggle to test those internal betas next to producing actual work in it. After or if there will be videos you still HAVE TO read the important bits of the wiki (that took much of (mainly) Jure's time to collect knowhow and write), because that would take a lot less of your (and my) time you did waste now because of missing the easy stuff like having lum and spec on all your materials, blasphemy to the kray gods
I am glad you now have confidence in kray again though.

Lastly, kray is not a "make GI better and render kickass with any scene and any material setting" button. If a scene looks like crap in LW, it will look a less like crap maybe in kray, but never look great. Kray uses LW surface settings and adds better GI and a lot of tricks to make it faster/better (possibly).
The only way to learn it, is make hours, make mistakes, learn from those and get some help from others here and in chats if you are stuck.

[jaxtone]

Erwin!

I´ll get back to you soon... I am still so very pleased with all help you have given!

Thanks!